Christians Lose Their Minds After Local Good News Club is Reported

If you’ve been following my reports about the school in North Carolina who invited the Good News Club to attend an event and give out kool-aid (yeah, I know) while advertising their club, and then covered it up by deleting photos and hiding their Facebook page, I have an update.

Last week, Wittenburg Elementary School, who allowed this Constitutional violation, resurrected their Facebook page about three weeks after taking it down in a panic. After several complaints were posted to the page via the “reviews” section, Wittenburg removed damning photos showing the Good News Club booth at the school’s “field days” and then took the entire page down.  It seems they kept the page hidden until they hoped the issue had blown over.  I did notice the page was back up last week but didn’t add anything; I just kept my eye on it by checking in every other day or so.

Yesterday, a “gentleman” named Clyde Miller, as well as others, found the negative reviews and began responding in defense of the Good News Club. It became evident immediately that those who were responding to the negative reviews had no knowledge of the equal access laws being cited in our complaints and no knowledge of the Good News Club v Milford Schools.  Instead, they just came to admonish atheists, defend the existence of the GNC (which was not being challenged), advocate for the rights of kids to pray in school (also not being challenged), and do so with horrific grammar. After a few hours of going back and forth, and the responses from Christians getting more profane, threatening, and abusive, the school took the page offline again.  I wish I had taken screenshots before that happened. Pure gold.

UPDATE: The Wittenburg page appears to be back online. Here’s the link to my review and the insane comments that followed. Enjoy! (Sorry it’s the mobile link. I’m updating from my phone.)

And all because I filed a complaint about the Good News Club recruiting kids at an official school function. But I’m the “snowflake” right?

After noticing the page was offline, I performed a Facebook search for “Wittenburg Elementary” and came across Clyde Miller’s page as well as his wife’s (Annette Miller).  Both god-fearing good Christian people had made public posts mentioning me, my review of Wittenburg, the articles I’ve written about the school, and my picture & Patheos profile. So I sat back and watched and did not engage.  While a handful of folks commented with their support for the Good News Club as well as their disdain for atheists, the real entertainment came when a couple people commented with their support of removing religion from schools and freedom from religion.

And then, just as snowflakes would, the Millers removed their posts because they “stirred up things.” Regrettably, I didn’t foresee the Millers taking their public posts down, so I didn’t capture the full conversations. I was, however, able to grab some snippets from cached pages.

witt1

Sorry, no. That’s what people in the legal profession call unconstitutional. A teacher in a public school may not lead his/her class in prayer at any time. Kids are certainly allowed to pray on their own or even in groups. They just can’t be led by a school official. That’s a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. I’m sorry the laws of this land inconvenience you. (And by the way, I’m apparently an ass hat.)

witt2

NOOOOOOPE.  Back to history class for you!  When you find a mention of Jesus Christ in the US Constitution, would you please take a picture and send it my way? Thanks in advance.

witt3

Right about here I grabbed some popcorn. Apparently, if you follow the law and keep religious indoctrination out of public schools, the suicide, drug, and molestation rates go up.  Hmm. Sorry, North Carolinians, but if you have a suicide, drug, and molestation epidemic in your schools, you probably have a bigger issue than not being allowed to pray with your teacher before lunch.  I think April might want to check out the stats on reported sexual abuse in Christian/Catholic schools.

witt4

Yup. Them there be what I’m-a fussin’ about. Sorry to disappoint you, Annette, but when I need help, I solve my own problems or lean on family and friends when I need to. A church, or much less prayer, would be the last place I’d ask for assistance.  Too many strings attached there.  It also appears Annette could use some information about the popular and successful secular charities like Foundation Beyond Belief, UNICEF, and even Goodwill. You don’t need to be affiliated with a religion to do good works. Morality and empathy predate religion.

witt5

Punctuation. Please. Clyde’s rambling comments on the Wittenburg reviews page were “formatted” like this as well. When I mentioned he might want to use some punctuation of he wants people to understand what he’s trying to say, he responded that he didn’t need any and that I was the one with the issue. Ugh. Hopefully, the school will put their page back up so Mr. Miller’s mastery of the English language will once again be on display.

witt6

And there it is. According to Clyde, he never backs down from anyone, but he deleted all of his posts about me because he “started or stired up things.” So I’m confused. Did he delete his posts because people on his friends list got upset or challenged his stance, or does he stand up and fight and never back down? Come on Clyde, your indecision with a touch of irony is making it hard for me to find you credible.

Again, this is just a sample. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that whoever runs the Wittenburg Elementary page grows a spine and puts it back online. When they do, I’ll be sure to alert readers via the SecularVoices Facebook page. Until then, stay classy, North Carolinians!

 

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64 thoughts on “Christians Lose Their Minds After Local Good News Club is Reported

  1. I wish you’d left a trail of digital breadcrumbs to invite Clyde back here (**licks chops**)

  2. Frankly I’m not convinced that booting the fundies wouldn’t also deal with the whole molestation issue.

  3. You have a right to teach your religion to your own kids, but not to other people’s kids – is this really such a hard concept for them to grasp?

    1. You can teach your religion to other peoples’ kids, but not while working as a government employee, and only with the consent of the kids. They don’t even need their parent’s permission for that (in theory). Children have the same Constitutional rights as adults. They have a hard time understanding that “No government endorsement” part actually.

        1. I was just speaking in the legal sense. Not if it was actually a good idea or not. 1st Amendment and all that.

      1. If the first amendment said “Fuck off, Christians” they would claim that the comma meant it doesn’t apply to them.

    2. Yes, it is hard for them. They are convinced everyone else’s private life and business is theirs to control (much like they themselves are controlled).

      1. I did. I’m a web programmer (among other things). But now you have me double checking my link, just in case. Thanks for helping out.

        Edit: Yep, I had cleaned it up. It just doesn’t show up directly in the posting.

  4. > And Do you ever see an Atheist group come together to help families in need, like if there home burns down. Who would you turn to, your local church’s., just saying

    Christians don’t buy insurance??

    1. And Do you ever see an Atheist group come together to help families in need, like if there home burns down

      They have a point. I mean, have you ever seen an Atheist group come together and pray for victims of home fires like Christians will?

      1. You couldn’t pay an atheist to pray for the family made homeless after a fire You could probably pay the Christians to pray, though.

        1. Hey, if someone wants to give me money to mumble Hail Marys, I’ll gladly take it. I probably won’t bother doing much besides saying “Gesundheit” to someone who sneezes, but I’ll take their money.

        1. Ah, but did you send a press notice to the news that an atheist group had committed charity? Ha!

          Also, too, my brother who is a southpaw complains that there are no left-handed persons charity groups. Why don’t lefties do good deeds, hmm?

          1. Well, can’t say it was an atheist group per se. I lent a hand and have since learned my friend doesn’t buy what religion sells either…

    2. If THERE home burns down?
      Atheists, agnostics and the other varieties of non-believers (now over 30% of Americans) do not form tax free clubs to go around bragging and publicizing their “good deeds.” Morality does not have to have P.R. or self-appointed leaders.
      If all you have to turn to is people who believe the same myths as you…..you are morally deficient.
      Remember, please, atheists do not bully children, start wars or rape children. Christians fill your prisons. Christians are often Bad Americans.

  5. You can’t have a rational discussion with them. I followed a link from here to the thing about Samantha Bee and tried to engage in rational discussion. All I got was some guy who’s main argument seemed to be that I was an idiot. Or a moron. And that he was entitled to call me an idiot or a moron because I was an idiot or a moron. You just can’t talk to them. I suppose I was lucky he could construct a sentence, and didn’t use all caps. Things got a bit testy, when I got a little impatient with being called an idiot and I put in a post with a bit of profanity and it. Which was removed. I reposted it without the profanity, and he blocked me. Quite grateful actually I was getting tired of the whole damn thing.
    Another guy said this in response to one of my posts: “Obama has dignity? No that’s an inflated ego and belief he can do no wrong.” But at least he shut up after I said something like “you realise you’ve just described Trump right?”
    I suppose we just do it because there might be naïve people out there wondering. The children. Think of the children.

    1. I agree with the sentiment, but you should know you spelled grammar incorrectly. Sorry, couldn’t resist.

  6. This is pretty hilarious. But someone should really point out to them that this rule protects them too – what if someone of the ‘wrong’ religious belief prayed in school? If you allow teachers to lead children in religion at school, you’ll let them dang Moooooose-lims teachers encourage the kids to pray to Allah too. Or atheists to FSM.

  7. Although I will admit that many of my brothers and sisters in Christ say and do some stupid things when defending their religious rights, it is no more hilarious than the bed-wetting hysteria that breaks out among the secular puritans when the name of Jesus pops up in a school. Jesus is easily the most important person in history, yet there is as close to a total news blackout as there can be in the public schools.

    1. Don, you’re hilarious. “Jesus is easily the most important person in history.” WOW. Yet, despite that ridiculous assertion, historians can’t even agree that such a figure existed.

      The name of Jesus is perfectly legal to mention in schools by students, and is mentioned often without “hysteria.” Jesus can also be mentioned in schools by teachers in the context of learning about world religions in an educational setting. What is ILLEGAL is the mention of Jesus, or any other religious reference, in the context of teacher or school-led or sponsored prayer/worship/proselytizing. Secularists are asking that the law be followed and that public schools remain secular, as intended. That is all.

      1. Glad you find me entertaining. And as far as historians are concerned, your silly assertion can be made as long as there is a handful of fringe scientists who think we made Jesus up. Jesus is the central person of history. Every time you write the date, you testify about how many years it’s been since He came to earth. And, no, not everyone goes into hysterics, but some do, just like we have some people we’re not proud of, also.

        1. Fringe scientists? No. I’m talking about historians. You know, actual people who make a career out of studying things like this from an objective view. Not your pastor. Get out of your Christian bubble and you’ll find quite a debate over whether or not there was a historical Jesus. Basing the date off of when Jesus lived is about as much proof of his existence as the days of the week proving the gods they’re named after also existed. The current dating system wasn’t even invented until the year 525, long after Jesus and anyone who know him were long gone. It’s completely arbitrary based on legend.

          1. Of course. Objective, which means they agree with you. NO AGENDA HERE! Academics are rapidly losing their credibility because they are so politicized that they think we can vote on the truth. Fortunately, our argument does not matter at all. You and I are both going to die at some point and face our creator. And there is no off ramp for atheists. Unfortunately, you seem to be dedicated to the short term solutions of this present life. But you don’t have to be. Jesus is real, and has been transforming lives for almost 2000 years.

          2. Thanks for the news flash. Objective doesn’t mean they agree with me. Objective means without bias, which is all you’re spewing here. When I die, I’m not going to meet anyone. I’ll be dead. Just like every other piece of organic matter. You too. I’m doing what I can to make this world better, not living for the next (which we have zero evidence of). I live in reality while you live in wishful-thinking-land. Enjoy your delusion.

          3. don`t you worry about not making it in to the good guy club when you die, with all that lying for jebus? As the jeez said, not many will make it.

          4. The Christian’s last argument is a vile insult…..you can either believe in our Jesus, or we will enjoy your going to hell.
            Asking non-believers to feel fear about not believing you myths, is like making your children feel guilty about not believing in Santa Claus.
            Get this….write it down…..we do not fear your irrational myths, and neither do your grandchildren.

        2. There is absolutely NO historical evidence for Jesus. There were at least 15 historians and government scribes recording history at that time. NONE record the life, death or resurrection of a man named Jesus. In fact, the biblical claim that
          “Cyrenius was Governor of Syria, during the reign or Herod the Great” is historically inaccurate. Do you really believe that “the dead in Jerusalem rose from their graves and walked around?” Nonsense. It certainly would have been recorded and remembered by the dozens of literate historians of that day.
          Your faith is a fraud.
          If you have the intellectual curiosity and the honesty to do so….Google “bible inconsistencies.”
          Start with the dozens of contradictions in the Easter Story. Then notice the two wildly conflicting stories of creation in Genesis. Which came first….man then animals?…….light then stars? Does the sun really revolve around the earth?
          Here’s a start? How did Judas die? Was Jesus crucified before or after Passover? The contradictions are very obvious, and revealing.
          Hint: there are multiple answers. You can’t build a religion on irrational nonsense, unless you are not a fact based, history and science based, thinking adult.
          Just remember this…..”you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit.”

    2. Schools prepare children to become functioning adults. Religion teaches only hate and intolerance. No school system needs that evil stupidity.
      You have the right to believe any foolish thing you want but don’t push it on society.

      1. With your own words you reveal yourself to be a hateful bigot. Did you learn your bumper sticker opinions at the public schools of the glorious fatherland? From your morally retrograde parents? From an ANTIFA training session? Wherever you got it, you still don’t sound like an adult.

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